Regarding the above comment by Matt — And now for a truly interesting question about evolution.This comment was typed on my Hero smart phone with all “autocorrect” and “autocomplete features turned off. Cactus2000 is not responsible for damage of any kind caused by wrong results. Gene, there’s nothing wrong with speaking with clarity and precision. English moreso than most because of its dominance as the world language…a language’s evolution speeds up with its frequency of use. One team that is not in any “market” at all is that which heads up the language reference works publishing done by Oxford University in England. (Sorry. The French expression en retard (pronounced [a(n) reu tar]) can be translated by "late" or any number of synonyms: behind, overdue, delayed, etc. The pronounciation of “Cachet” for “Cache” is not correct however as the two words are meant to convey different things. (Aramaic, for example–the language that Jesus Christ spoke; and now, the Navajo language is nearing extinction, with Scots Gaelic on its way, if it doesn’t receive some prompt attention.) Therefore, the pronounciation “Fortay” is absolutely correct. noun There is no T!!! The French expression en retard (pronounced [a(n) reu tar]) can be translated by "late" or any number of synonyms: behind, overdue, delayed, etc. MW points out the same thing the author here does. Therefore, given the relaxed attitude about who/whom here, I’m a bit baffled by the intransigence about “forte” being pronounced “fort”, especially when sources like Merriam-Webster say that “fortay” is standard in both American and British English; further, Merriam-Webster says that the “fort” pronunciation wouldn’t be quite correct, even _in French_. Here are a few suggestions to try! For the rest, let me say that there is no dissonance. “In forte we have a word derived from French that in its “strong point” sense has no entirely satisfactory pronunciation. As you say, common usage dictates correctness. You'll also get three bonus ebooks completely free. This has come up before in discussions about foreign borrowings and at what point they get anglicized. 2 Fencing the stronger part of a sword blade, from the hilt to the middle. However thise words are now English and we will pronounce them with our own distict sensitivities. (at present-day Ocean Springs, Mississippi). Find more French words at wordhippo.com! Adverb (or adjective) meaning “strong” or “loud.” This word comes into English from Italian and is used chiefly in a musical context. That’s what tenure is for! In the dispute between Hagridore and Venqax about the differing opinions on the pronunciations or “fort” and “fortay,” Venqax clearly carries the day. Ex. In British English \ˈfȯ-ˌtā\ and \ˈfȯt\ predominate; \ˈfȯr-ˌtā\ and \fȯr-ˈtā\ are probably the most frequent pronunciations in American English. Cultures that are annihilated or which are overtaken by other cultures will lose their language over time. I just now read your comment from May 7, 2012. 1 [in sing. ] Interestingly, the author does not suggest that we pronounce “foible” as [fwa blə]. Yama or lama, hoonta or junta, etc. grand, grande is the opposite of petit, petite. Well done, Venqax. Many people say excape and expecially and pervent and prevert, too. ©2020 Reverso-Softissimo. For example, if you are a TEACHER, FGS! what an individual speaker insists must be correct is unhelpful. There are many diverse influences on the way that English is used across the world today. Housekeeping is not my forte /fort/. As an aside, I would say this provides an example for arguing some actual standards for spelling reform. Today is the first day that I have ever seen this website, and so far I’ve read about 20 articles here on grammar questions, several of which have pronounced that people should not stick to what is technically correct for the sake of it, but rather should use whatever they are most comfortable with, or whatever will make communication simplest and most effective within the specific group/milieu/occasion. So it should be resisted whenever it is practical and polite to do so. The worst things for development and communication are inconsistency and arbitrariness. I agree with Venqax and previous posters…just because a French word has been adopted by English speakers and mispronounced does not mean we should accept it or adopt it.”, He is incorrect — the word is actually spelled “repertoire”, with “r” appearing twice, not just once. Native English speakers who have had the opportunity to complete eight or more years of formal education ought to have acquired the tools to speak English according to accepted standards of the current century’s version of common usage. Lol. That makes sense to me. In closing my remarks I’ll remind readers that Andre Gide, one of the best French writers of the last century had something to say about all this. Macaron addict. Colours are masculine in French when used as a noun, however when they are used as an adjective, certain names of colours will change to accord with the subject whilst others remain invariable. I think it would be more testing for the average entrepreneur to be asked to rectify the shared difficulties of “Bose,” and “Porsche,” — the issue here being as much about business as it is about pronunciation. How long will the footprints on the moon last? But forte is not an example of either. In addition, some English words do not conform to the “e makes the vowel say its name” rule. Language does evolve. Agreed. And that point is where one can actually state a reason why one alternative is preferable–or correct– compared to another. “Forte” and “Fortay’ It is pronounced fort in French and the spelling forte would be pronounced fort by any English standard. For you to simply say it is accepted is not an answer. Some of you have already gotten my point. Culture and language are so integral to each other, that when one dies, the other soon follows. The breakdown of language is the breakdown of culture, because language is its unifier as the primary communicative means. If it wasn’t for the success of British empire building and America’s subsequent super power status, English would be little more than a footnote in liquiet history and the world would be speaking something sensible…like Esperanto. Damn the Philistines, I say! Examples: “fat, bed, fish, spot, luck”. Yes, language changes and evolves. Matt on November 11, 2011 9:24 pm A clairvoyant would necessarily want to communicate everything they see. As a francophone, I do not understand why native English speakers pronounce this word as “nitch”. En retard is adverbial, meaning that it must be used with a verb, usually être or arriver. The fact is that language has one purpose…communication. Ano ang pinakamaliit na kontinente sa mundo? I learned something valuable today. Adjectives are what you need if you want to describe a person, place, or thing. The rationale that “Common usage dictates correctness” would mean that the correct pronunciation of “et cetera” is “excetera,” “regimen” and “regime” are interchangeable, “your” can correctly be used to mean “you are,” and “Were u at.” is as correct as “Where are you?” Just because more and more ‘Mericans are too lazy and ignorant to bother to learn fluency in “there” native language, the rest of us don’t need to accept that the uneducated majority dictates what is correct. Referring to the example above, if you have failed to communicate to your audience, then you have not used language (your tool) effectively.
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